Ep 159: MALWARE 1) Telegram Founder Arrest 2) Nvidia Earnings 3) AI Hugs on TikTok 4) Prediction Market Volume 5) OpenSea Wells Notice

[00:00] - As you know, I'm trying to source a Cybertruck cake [00:03] For your child. For my child. [00:04] Not for you. Imagine. [00:29] Just sports club. [00:30] Hi. Hey, how's it going? Good. It's been a tough week here at Boys Club HQ down bad. [00:37] Tremendously. [00:39] Tremendously. I am glad we're here. I'm happy to see you. I'm happy to be here. I had... [00:47] willingly. [00:49] put myself in a position to not be feeling great today. You unwillingly have been putting yourself in a position. So I don't feel we can complain. I don't feel I can complain. I had 2 a.m. Bedtime last night. I had a 2 a.m. Bedtime last night. Which honestly, I like... [01:04] It sends a chill down my spine, but I'm so happy for you to be having so much fun. Well, I left the Arthur Ashe at 1230. So part of it was just getting home. Okay. And then once I'm home, I need to wind down. You need to take back some of that time for yourself. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I need my TikTok time, which is not really TikTok. It's just like Instagram and Twitter. [01:23] And... [01:24] I need to just be with myself before I fall asleep. It's just who I am. I'm sorry to say.

[01:30] I don't know. And so, yeah, I had a lot of the honey do's. [01:35] Deuce. What's the liquor in that? It's vodka. It's Grey Goose. It's Grey Goose. They pay a pretty penny. How much for one? [01:43] - Um, [01:44] $23. Nice. $23 per. And they go down like water. They just go right down. There's nothing to them. I'm sure there's just as many grams of sugar as there are dollars that I have spent on those things. And so it's a hard wake up the next day. Yeah. And I was I was hitting the vape and. [02:04] I think our crowd was not [02:06] the people around us weren't so pleased with our our crew i think they were we were told we were terrible [02:13] terrible tennis goers by several people so we've you know learned we've grown and it was so fun but reporting on things that I have no business talking about today is gonna be tough it's gonna be tough yeah anyway it's tough all around I've had a 102 degree fever and a migraine headache for a week straight so we're both like really [02:37] Just hanging on by the skin of our teeth. If there's a doctor in the house, would love to hear any diagnosis. It's not COVID and it's not the flu. It's not COVID and it's not flu. It's a third more elusive thing. Yeah. Here we are. We have a lot to cover today. We're going to be talking about... [02:52] Telegram. [02:53] We're going to be talking about the arrest of the founder and the ensuing... [02:59] discourse uh we're gonna be talking about the nvidia earnings report and then a weird uh

[03:07] AI use case. Yeah, true friend, I suppose. AI use case. We'll leave it to the mystery of it. AI use case. Give it a listen. We talk about prediction markets. We talk about drift. [03:19] And we talk about the OpenSea Wells Notice event. [03:23] Out of responsibility to this industry. Just to make sure it's included here. Here. [03:29] That's that. And this is malware. [03:32] where Dina and I report on just actually just talk shit about what's happening in the tech world. And I hope you enjoy it. [03:42] Thank you. [03:44] Hey, Natasha. So a question we get asked a lot is, what do you look for in a crypto platform? So let's talk about it. Well, Dina, I look for a secure, no fuss platform that I can dive into right away. That's why I love today's sponsor, Kraken. If you're waiting for the right time to get into crypto, Kraken makes it super easy and intuitive to get started. Plus, if you get stuck, they have an award-winning client support team that's available 24-7, along with a bunch of educational guides, articles, and videos to help you along the way. If you're ready to check out [04:13] to kraken.com backslash boys club and see what crypto can be not investment advice crypto trading involves risk of loss and is offered to us customers through payward interactive inc [04:25] I just have to say something. [04:27] I was at the US Open with some friends last night, and they both are venture capitalists. And I was like, are you guys watching Industry? [04:35] It's so good. [04:36] And they're like, yeah, it's so good. We're loving it. But also like and then they started to get realistic about it, realistic about like the trades and the returns and talking about how stupid.

[04:48] the trades are. I don't even have the language for it. And all of a sudden now I'm thinking about, wow, there's people with expertise. It's like a realization about how people have expertise and have a deep knowledge about things that I'm like, nobody knows what they're talking about. [05:06] That's silly. I'm not even paying attention to the numbers of it. Like 4%. Like tuning out. I'm on Twitter. And it has also... [05:16] just permeated into this podcast where I'm like, we're talking about things. [05:22] And I'm just like, we're just talking. We're just catching up. And I'm like, no, there's people who like legitimately know. [05:30] what they're talking about yeah and the telegram story is a beautiful example of that a crystal clear example of that exactly [05:40] Where we're just kind of splashing around in the kiddie pool. [05:44] But there's people who... [05:46] For which it's maybe their life's work. [05:49] Right. I mean, it is our life's work as well. [05:53] In a sense. [05:54] I guess, but... In a lighthearted way. Certainly thinking about [05:58] Issues of free speech. Okay, I see what you're saying. And how that impacts platform. Like, that for some people, they get their... [06:06] their PhD in that. Uh-huh. Totally. You know, yeah. Yeah. [06:10] They get off on that. That's not us. No, no, no. We're in the shallow end. So what's going on in the most shallow way? Okay, so from what I can understand. Well, first let's talk about what Telegram is, because I do think that before we get into the story, there are some people who are listening who might...

[06:27] not be [06:28] Working in Gipto. Or live in a country with... [06:32] an authoritarian regime which is the other very big use case of telegram as i understand it who [06:38] Don't use Telegram. So for people who don't know, Telegram is a messaging app. Messaging meets social media. I don't really use the social media part of it, but [06:48] I understand that many people do, and that's actually a big part of where [06:52] There's some issues. 900 million users. [06:55] around the world huge you can do like one-on-one messages which is or like small groups which is what i primarily use it for or you can create broadcast channels where you're [07:07] creating a group and there's like 200 000 people who can follow you and it's just like a sort of a one-way [07:12] street, a one-way broadcast. Part of why the crypto industry loves it is because [07:18] It's got... [07:20] No moderation, basically. It's Wild West. Anything goes. And that's the story today. Yes. I would say the joke always is you get a notification when someone from your contacts joins Telegram. [07:34] And the joke is always this person has either gotten into crypto. [07:38] or they're buying drugs. [07:40] Those are the two reasons that you would join Telegram. [07:45] In our case, there's a third where... [07:49] There is a woman named Ava. [07:51] who works with us, who is... [07:54] Amazing. And she helps with our events and she works for our production team.

[07:58] company that we love and she travels around the world with us doing these events she's very beautiful and she sometimes works the door at some of the events like checking people in [08:09] And at one of our events, I was like, man, the door is moving slow tonight. And I looked over and it was just, she was getting chat, chat, chatting up, chatted up by all these chads, these crypto chats. Just every single one of them was using it as a moment to chat with Ava, which. An opportunity. Yeah. An opportunity. Yeah, yeah. [08:28] I have no shade. Must. It's their duty. And then there was one moment where I'm walking around this event and I get a notification. It's like, Ava has joined Telegram. And I was like, OK, OK, I see what's going on here. [08:43] Anyway, all that to say, yes, that's the messaging app. But as I've learned, as I research the story, if we're looking for encrypted messages, we should really just use Telegram. [08:53] WhatsApp or Signal because they're actually-- - Or iMessage is-- - Or iMessage. They're more encrypted than-- [09:00] Yeah. Which we'll get to. I don't think that we... [09:02] F [09:03] need the encryption but i know that some people do and want i'm like would you like to sponsor this podcast that's that's legal [09:12] okay so that's telegram the founder of telegram is was born in russia 1984 uh his name was pavel durov he was arrested in france [09:22] This past Saturday, pulled off his private jet. [09:27] and arrested the preliminary charges are pretty damning they include enabling money laundering drug trafficking and the distribution of child abuse sexual content uh and also very importantly refusal to cooperate with law enforcement he refused a subpoena maybe subpoenas and uh

[09:49] Yeah, that's... [09:50] where the charges have landed. It's kind of early days for how that's all going to shake out. But what has happened over the past week is that this case has become very much a proxy for the conversation about free speech. [10:03] and technology more generally. There are two very passionate sides that have emerged. The first is the free speech side, hashtag free problem trending on Twitter. These are the folks who think that this is an infringement on free speech. The sort of case on this side is that there's a lot of concerns about holding founders liable for what's happening on their platforms. There's this thing called [10:33] Section 230 states that platforms aren't liable for the things that people say or do on their platforms and that this is like starting to eat away at Section 230. Also, on this side are folks that are saying, OK, well, if you start to moderate, if you start to sort of bring the walls in around what people can and cannot say, then that is a very slippery slope towards censorship. And you can end up in a situation where speaking out against your government could end up getting banned. And that's very scary, especially in authoritarian regimes. [11:03] And also on this side are folks that are saying that this sets a precedent where if a country doesn't like what a founder or platform is doing when they're flying through, they can just stop them and arrest them. And that is scary as well to sort of extrapolate out what that future means. And then there's the other side.

[11:25] But I'll pause there if there's anything you want to add to the side first. [11:27] Something about Pavel is that he's sort of become a figure in the U.S. right wing communities. He was on Tucker Carlson. Elon Musk loves him. He's become more and more of a hero in that community around free speech and Telegram being this place where it's actually a place for just free speech to be able to exist. [11:46] that all these other places there's a lot of censorship. The other thing that I'll say is that what I've heard is there is this distinction that's [11:54] was helpful for me where the charges that are being brought against him and hopefully where it goes is that, [12:01] Not that... [12:02] he is being held responsible for actions that were being taken by users on the platform [12:08] which would set a really bad precedent in tech, but that [12:12] The main issue is that they were unresponsive to inquiries from these various governments about illicit behavior that was happening. [12:21] were uncooperative, wholly uncooperative with these countries and organizations to help with really serious allegations and behavior that was happening on the platform. So that was a really helpful distinction for me of like, OK, what could come out of this that's actually positive and what sort of like legislation or. [12:38] What sort of charges could come towards the founder that would be beneficial as opposed to just like... [12:45] setting weird precedent in tech or having a result like the Silk Road founder where [12:50] He's sitting in prison for over 10 years for behavior that was happening on his platform that he...

[12:56] didn't really participate in. So that was a helpful distinction, I think. Yeah, totally. [13:01] I think that the other side of the coin on the [13:06] the free speech piece is like you're saying if you're one knowingly [13:11] facilitating crimes. [13:12] the most heinous of crimes. [13:15] I don't like I don't know how to help you. You know, totally like I don't know. You're not my you're not my free speech martyr at that point. Like where it's like if you see it, you know it and the governments are like, hey, [13:27] Can you help us? Like this is happening on your platform. [13:30] we need your help to do this and you're like, peace, I'm good. Like that's [13:34] Not it. That's not... [13:36] That's not standing up against government censorship. That's something else entirely. And I think that that's the case that's being made by the other side, IMO, pretty convincingly. I think that the other thing is that Section 230 is not limitless. It does require providers to remove illegal material to have their hands in it. And I think that that's kind of speaking to the same thing. If you see it and you know it and it's going to harm someone, you need to take an action. And that's kind of the other side of this. And... [14:06] We have this, my husband Dave's like really self-help and we have the, he at one point got into this book that has like, [14:13] these relationship mantras and there's like five relationship mantras and okay one of them is that you say occasionally to the other person where and one of them is you are partly right like if you're fighting with someone oh and it's like you're partly right like it's a helpful thing to say and yeah conflict with a partner where it's like whatever and i think that's kind of what's happening it's like both sides are partly right

[14:34] Yeah, you know, totally. So the other component to the story is the [14:39] encryption of it all. So essentially... [14:43] How this connects to the charges against him are that end-to-end encryption is where... [14:49] from the story from hit me let me just pull up my notes here um okay [14:57] So end-to-end encryption is when it only lives on the device itself. [15:02] I'm not an expert. I'm sure some of this is wrong, but like this is how I understand it. Is that [15:07] You're sending a message. [15:09] only living on the device that you have and the device that it's sent to. [15:13] And then not on the telegram servers. It doesn't pass exactly telegram servers. [15:18] Exactly. So... [15:20] In Telegram's case, it's not exactly end-to-end encryption. It lives on a server when it's traveling, essentially, from one device to another. And... [15:31] There's end-to-end encryption is very expensive. It's a very technical process. And WhatsApp did it a few years ago. And there's all of this. I listened to the Hartford guys and they talked about how it was a very expensive endeavor. [15:44] to do that. And... [15:47] that there's maybe several reasons that telegram [15:50] is not... [15:52] set up for end-to-end encryption. My understanding is that they're... [15:56] it's there is a possibility to do end-to-end encryption on telegram but it's not by default like you have to set it as a [16:03] You have to do like a secret message or something, a secret group.

[16:08] One reason they might not be doing it is because it's very expensive and very technical. And they're famously a very lean team and very efficient team. [16:19] very few people working there essentially. [16:21] The other is that [16:23] I had some speculation that they do work with some governments to provide intel. Mm-hmm. [16:31] I have no idea about that. I don't even know if that's like deep conspiracy. I've just like seen that chatter on the internet. So in this case, the reason this is happening is because they actually do have [16:42] this intel and they can provide it because it's living on their servers and so when a government reaches out to them and says we need this intel and we need this information or we need these conversations they actually have it sitting on their servers as opposed to a signal or if you have your iMessage set up that way or whatsapp that it's only living on the devices it's not actually living in the server so that's how this is like all connected and comes back to like the privacy of it all and how that plays into the story at large yeah man as i was researching end-to-end encryption i ended up on this [17:13] like encryption form or something. I don't know where it was, but, and it was some guy that was basically saying like, [17:19] I don't trust end-to-end encryption. If you didn't write the code yourself, then you don't even know. Oh, my God. I can't trust it. Write the code yourself? I know. I was like, I got to mosey on out here. [17:32] That's the Telegram story. Yeah, it's developing. It's very complicated. There's many layers to it. It's a very interesting story. He's a very interesting figure. And I'm sure we got some things wrong, but that's the kiddie pool version of what's happening with. There it is.

[17:49] From Idris Elba to Stripe to the Central Bank of Brazil, the sixth annual Stellar Meridian Conference in London has the range. Join policymakers, investors, builders, and more on October 15th through 17th in London to talk about how crypto is transforming everyday financial services right now. Tickets are going fast, so get yours now at meridian.stellar.org. [18:14] Let's talk about NVIDIA. NVIDIA had its earnings report come out on Wednesday, August 28th, and they beat expectations for the fourth straight quarter. [18:23] of triple digit revenue growth. So reported revenue of 38.04 billion, with their expected being 28.7, so exceeded expectations. Their market cap eclipsed $3 trillion. So they're the second most valuable company in the world [18:39] behind Apple, which always shocks me that Apple is the most valuable company in the world. I mean, I shouldn't be that shocked because I lost an AirPod and had to go buy another one. And I was like, [18:48] $100? $100? And did you pay it? I did. There it is. There it is right there. And it was such a stupid, I can't even believe, you know when you do something so fucking dumb and you're just like, what is wrong with me? Yeah. Riding a city bike. I was riding a city bike. I had both AirPods in. [19:11] And I was like, do not do that. Red flag. I know. Red flag. Major red flag. And I was like, this is stupid. I should take one of them out. So I took one of them out and I knew put it in the case.

[19:20] You've heard the story, but I'm putting it on the podcast and I didn't put in the case because I was just like, whatever, I'll just throw it in my bag. It's gone. [19:26] That little thing is gone. You can't. They can't be loose. [19:29] They can't be loose. They can't be loose. What am I doing? And the next day spending $100 on just the right one. I'm just like, this is stupid. Anyway. Was it new? It was a new one. [19:38] It wasn't new. It wasn't new. No, no, no, no, no. It was the one you bought new. [19:43] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fresh. It's fresh. I also had to replace the case recently. So little by little, this whole thing is just the only thing that's left from the original is the left one. And I have washed the left one. So it makes a ringing noise. So I'm like out of all of the ones... [19:58] of all the things in here. That should have been. You know, I would have pegged you to go back and do corded. I think that's going to be my next move when mine go kaput. [20:07] That's cool. [20:08] That's cool. Courted's cool. I run... [20:11] like, the chord's kind of annoying when you run. Okay. [20:14] So anyway, back to Nvidia. [20:19] Beat earnings. They've been beating earnings left and right for every single quarter for... [20:25] Quarters and quarters and that just continues their share price did fall on Thursday after their earnings report and the chatter is basically people are just like this can't keep up. This is crazy. This is a crazy thing continues to be crazy thing and they're just not going to continue to have these crazy. [20:43] earnings reports every single quarter. So it did fall, but they're doing great. They're doing great. I feel like that correlates to a broader story around like an AI slump, an AI bubble burst, people feeling like the euphoria from the past whatever, two years or year and a half since we got...

[21:06] Chat to be when was that November 20? [21:08] 20... [21:08] Two. [21:09] I think so yeah um [21:11] There's been... [21:13] scant actual use cases besides kids plagiarizing their homework using chat cpt um obviously that's a huge oversimplification but i think that it there's some general market sentiment around that one other part of the story there is chatter that apple and nvidia are in talks with open ai to be part of their next fundraising round which would value open ai at 100 billion dollars [21:37] Thrive. [21:38] who led their... [21:40] previous round in February. [21:43] is... [21:44] looking to it looks like they will invest another billion dollars into the company yeah is thrive jared kushner thrive capital which yes is the kushner kushner's cushy i saw an insane [21:57] Edit. [21:58] That was, uh... I can't wait. Chapel Rhone, you know, the bridge where she's saying, um... [22:04] When you think about him in the middle of the night. And it's basically like to whatever, a girl who's now gone and married a guy. And the edit was, it was a Kushner and... [22:16] what's her name? Carly. Carly. Carly. Carly. It was basically [22:22] singing it to Carly Closs. It was a Gaylor? It was a Gaylor edit. And it was so as though Taylor is saying. Oh my gosh. Gaylor is so powerful. They're so good. It's so good. And then it cut in the Project Runway scene. This is something you can wear to the Kushners? This is something you can wear to the Kushners. So good. Sometimes man the creativity just astounds. Also how this was a segment on

[22:51] nvidia earning report and we ended with project runway you wear this to the questioner's meme is really great um okay one thing i do actually want to put into the story on february 27th this is just [23:00] such an own goal like [23:03] It's crazy. On February 27th, [23:06] Mm-hmm. [23:07] We sent an email, a Boys Club newsletter. The subject line of the Boys Club newsletter was, is it too late to buy NVIDIA socks? And then the little preview line said yes. That was literally the thing that people saw first. The stock price that day was $79. [23:27] The stock price today is $118. So literally, do the opposite of whatever we say. The opposite. Do not listen. [23:37] to us. Do not listen to it. We couldn't say it more. Every podcast we say it. Do not take our advice. Do not do it. [23:45] That is so funny. Oh my gosh. I like had a sense because I knew I knew we had sent that email and as the numbers are damning. The numbers are damning. Really? Because I was like, okay, the price will have gone up a little bit. And I was like, that will be a funny joke. [24:02] - Mm-hmm. It's almost so bad it's not even funny, honestly. - I know. I'm like, is that irresponsible? Like, is there some... [24:10] like disclosure that I need you know some people are saying this is not trading advice because they feel like a legal responsibility I feel a moral responsibility to tell people do not take our trading advice

[24:26] Next up is a really dumb quick story here. But speaking of use cases of AI. Great. Smooth transition. Smooth brain, smooth transition. There is a TikTok trend. [24:37] that is an AI tool [24:40] where you take two static photos [24:43] Okay. [24:44] two separate static photos of a person. Track it. [24:48] you put them into this tool and it animates the two photos and makes it look like they're hugging like they like hug across the photo like you put the two photos next to each other and then it like hugs across does it look realistic i i need you to watch this because i i'm dying to know if you do like i i knew what was happening here so it makes it a little less okay i'm watching one second it looks pretty realistic don't look at the hands too closely yeah of course i'm looking at the hands that's immediately what i'm looking at oh my god i saw the funniest tweet the other day that it was like um [25:16] It was like someone showing me a picture of their baby and me saying, look at the hand. It's not even real. It's just like a real baby. So stupid. Okay. I don't like it, but it looks pretty real. It looks pretty real. If you weren't like... [25:29] prepped with this is like an ai thing you wouldn't think twice about it yeah so people are using it primarily from what i've seen [25:36] is taking a photo of a dead grandparent. [25:38] and giving their dead grandparent a hug. And honestly, that's so wholesome. And if that's cathartic for someone to do and for someone to see, then great. Totally. But it's not not creepy. My first thought when I saw it was just. [25:52] People are very lonely. [25:55] people are very lonely in this epidemic yeah the loneliness epidemic is alive

[26:00] I think also what it made me think of is... [26:05] We you and I both had a visceral that same visceral reaction to it, which is like, well, this is kind of creepy and like weird and like we're never would never do that would never ever do it. But that if that won't come to signal some generational divide where a generation. Oh, interesting. That is growing up AI native. [26:22] and like sees this stuff all the time and uses this stuff all the time and they're just like yeah whatever like [26:27] you know, when there's that kind of like just you're totally used to it and [26:32] it doesn't bother you in the same way but that they'll always be that like gen z's and millennials who are like [26:38] and older who are like i can't handle it i don't know totally interesting okay ai hugs on tick tock [26:45] you [26:46] It's time for a more open, inclusive, and transparent financial system. A system that serves nearly everyone, everywhere, all the time. That's why we love today's sponsor, Kraken. Kraken is a crypto platform that provides a super simple on-ramp to the world of crypto with a 24-7 support team. Crypto transcends physical and imaginary borders. No matter where you are, you can send funds easily and quickly to almost any part of the world. Plus, forget about waiting times and waiting lines. You can send, receive, and trade crypto anywhere near instantly. [27:16] B at kraken.com backslash boys club, not investment advice. Crypto trading involves risk of loss and is offered to us customers through payward interactive Inc. No third party transfers available. [27:28] OpenSea got their red carnation. Is that what you call it in the bachelor nation? No, it's a rose. They got their rose. They got their rose. They were added to the list of crypto companies this week to receive a Wells notice from the SEC, which is basically saying, hey, we're going to sue you soon. And the letter said that NFTs are securities. And...

[27:52] Honestly, I don't. [27:53] I think OpenSea was happy to get it. They're like, oh my God, we're relevant again. PTL. [28:01] People are talking about us. Yeah. I honestly have no juice on the story. I could not be more cynical. So I think I should. When you don't have something nice to say, just don't say anything at all. Don't say it at all. It's just Gary Gensler's asking, will you accept this rose to OpenSea? That's what you're going for. That's all we got. That's all she wrote. That's all she wrote. Okay. You have something here. Polymarket. [28:23] um, [28:24] I'm starting to feel concerned that you might have a gambling addiction. [28:29] it's not gambling it's it's prediction markets it's prediction markets okay it's not an addiction it's a hobby yeah exactly exactly uh i've gone full polymarket bro [28:42] I love that. Honestly, I love it for you. You've had a fever for five, six days straight, and you've just been in a polymarket fever dream. Every time I see you, you show up to our stand up, you look... [28:53] not your best. You're sweaty and tired looking and you're like, got to check out my polymarket. And I'm like, is this the time to be doing that? [29:06] I feel really a lot of conviction that prediction markets and polymarket are going to define this [29:14] next cycle cycle that we're hopefully going into but that aside um [29:19] There's a prediction market called [29:20] Drift? [29:21] on Solana and they booked $20 million in volume.

[29:26] in a single day. [29:27] Wow. Their founder is a woman named Cindy. Yes. And she's supposed to be very cool. I'd love to have her on the pod. Cindy. [29:34] let's do this cindy give us a call anytime we're here day or night um yeah they did 20 million dollars in 24 hour volume that's a crazy amount of volume a lot of money and yeah prediction markets just i feel i see that i said this to you earlier this week but i see them moving into adjacent non-crypto communities that i think is in a really interesting way um it is gambling [30:04] Lana Del Rey break up with her. Ugly boyfriend. Boyfriend. You editorialized that before October. [30:15] I would definitely bet on that. I would definitely bet. Well, the odds are in your favor because the market right now, the odds are that she won't [30:24] wow really yeah yeah oh interesting maybe this is the best short i think it's gonna be a short relationship if i had to guess i almost wrote the newsletter today on uh the rise of ugly boyfriends and then miranda was like i don't know that i don't know that that's the thing to write about and i was like okay fine then i'm gonna write about the matrix of uh fucks but doesn't have sex so i don't know what is better honestly wait what was the reasoning about not wanting to write [30:54] It was like, [30:55] mean maybe mean and also like not a lot there you're like there's one person specifically that you're talking about you're like there's one couple

[31:06] No, the other one is Bella Hadid, but I actually think her boyfriend is quite handsome. Oh, he seems like such a... [31:13] Lovely guy. Lovely guy. I wouldn't call him ugly. No, I don't think he actually is. I don't think he actually is. But like rat, boyfriend, rat. [31:21] Summer guy. There was something there, but it was very pop culture. It was less Internet native reporting. Mm hmm. [31:28] Cool. Should we wrap this up? I think we're good. Okay. Thanks for listening.